okay so female plus male split cage did not work out now seperated. I know have them each in there own cages I havew her sister but she really doesent get along with her to well either I was wondering if It was worth my time, to split cage the females and try and get them together again Instead of having three lone gerbils. the no I dont in the last post at the baggining was a response to Edens previous post of do I breed, And Im not cause none of my gerbils are getting along.
Post by Die Fledermaus on Jul 1, 2007 22:23:34 GMT -4
>> I was wondering if It was worth my time, to split cage the females and try and get them together again <<
When did you last split screen them and for how long? What happened when they met? How long ago was that?
I have a few lone gerbils who don''t get along with others, even though I carefully and patiently split screened them for over two weeks switching each to the other's side daily. If you are planning a breeding to get other gerbils as tank mates for the lone ones, well, that is an option. So is rescuing others if you can find them. Most of my animals are rescues.
A hint from the AGS regarding introductions is to hold each gerbil (after two weeks or more of screening) and rub their noses gently into each other's butt, and then put back but not together. Do that a few times a few hours apart - and then pull the screen.
okay so the two sister pups are only about 12 weeks old but they were fighting in a ball and one bit a chunk off the others nose her nose is pretty much healed.
The one that attacked the other I tried split screening with the male that worked they sleeped in the same nest and groomed I think you call it dominance humping also he did that but the pup was loosing weight.
I dident know if it was normal for that to be really stresful and for one to do that so I pulled th pup and there all in there own cages at the moment.
Post by Die Fledermaus on Jul 2, 2007 20:05:01 GMT -4
>> The one that attacked the other I tried split screening with the male that worked they sleeped in the same nest and groomed I think you call it dominance humping <<
If they are of different genders they are mating! Dominance humping applies only for same sex gerbils!
>> two sister pups are only about 12 weeks old but they were fighting in a ball <<
That seems very odd for sisters especially at the age. I think it would be risky to try split screening them again; however, in several weeks on neutral territory (no old scents) you can try it once more doing it the way we said - over two weeks, switching back and forth daily, and on the last day pushing their noses into each other's butts. But be very careful. And if that fails and they ball up, forget it forever.
I thought it sounded odd, too, that the 2 females were fighting in a ball at that age. Were they ever split up before the fighting? Or were there possibly scents from another gerbil introduced to them before the fight? I'd agree that you could try split-caging them properly. If they start nesting next to each other by the screen and licking each other's mouths through the screen, then you can try to introduce them...watching very carefully. It can take 2 weeks or even a month or 2 before they are ready. If they fight in a ball after being introduced, I wouldn't try again either. ETA: I just read the split-screen thread. Just wanted to add: when you introduce them, make sure there is nothing they can fight over, such as food, huts, a wheel, or a TP tube. I introduce by removing the split, rather than on neutral territory. Feed them awhile before introducing. There will be food, water, and bedding on each side of the tank, but I remove everything else. Works for me so far.
Post by Die Fledermaus on Mar 21, 2008 20:06:00 GMT -4
I wouldn't have a problem mixing that in with other stuff. The protein is very high and the fat is very low, so it would be good in a breeding mix that had a higher fat on its own (that fat is a bit too low for breeders in my opinion). I usually look for about 17% protein and 8% fat in breeders. For regular gerbils, I go for about 12% protein, and more like 5-7% fat. For older gerbils, I look for about 10% protein, and around 4-5% fat (depends on how chunky they are.) I have found though that most of my gerbils don't like pressed food like that. I have a few that like it and will take it in preference to other stuff, but most of them will leave it in preference to seeds.
High protein diets can be hard on the kidneys though, so make sure that there is other stuff so that the overall diet is lower in protein.