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I planned to ask her details about the tumor. As I said above, even she was not sure from the photo.
Way too late to apply for carecredit, which I heard of several days ago elsewhere.
>> most tumors in rabbits stay covered in fur and don't get necrotic tissue on them like that. <<
Yea. *shrugs*
I call in 90 minutes.
Yes, it was nice. Very quiet - no one else there but the techies and cats. It is right under the Brooklyn Bridge in a gentrified section of that borough that used to be run down industrial.
vhvetgroup.com/Pasteurella I was told is treated by antibiotic injections and/or abcess draining surgery. Hopefully never to be necessary.
She was adamant about keeping rabbits and GPs separate as
pasteurella MIGHT transfer from the bunny to the piggie causing rapid death of the latter.
I am just killing time here. It is a long haul back to the vet - subway trip and a good walk, and the weather stinks, cold, and damp, and nasty.
I hate operations. And I don't mean the cost.
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I hope they can get the whole thing in the neuter surgery. i would guess that they will look at the cells to determine if it is cancerous. . The tumors that I have seen that have been malignant ( on a rabbit and a dog ) did not look anything like this tumor but had very irregular borders
i wish you the best ...
let us know
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She did not mention cancer, which if she thought it might be, would have been odd.
Even a techy there said "it looks like poop stuck on!" And she checked! Nope.
I call in just over an hour. Back when I can. Send good vibes.
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I just sent whole storm of good vibes to Brooklyn
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Thanks.
I am just killing time.
I hate operations. All this waiting.
The one time I had a foot operation I was conscious, but the foot was out. I smelled the blood and heard the podiatrist using what sounded like carpentry tools. Then he told me dirty jokes as his assistants closed up. It was sort of like a "pump bump" growth on the heel. took many months to be 100% but I had no choice - it hurt a lot before operation day.
My parents' operations were no fun either.
Just killing time.
I will have to give antibiotics and pain killers. And I hate using a syringe in the mouth on small animals (drowning concerns). Hey! Is that an issue with rabbits as it is with rodents (GPs to gerbils)?
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I had to have a Plantars wart taken out of the sole of my foot a long time go. I think that I got it from walking barefoot in a health club.
Anyway the thing was really deep and I was conscious through out the whole procedure. it was really gross . I had to pack this hole in my foot with sterile gauze everyday for probably a month.
i always thought it was a bigger deal than the podiatrist explained to me.
When syringing fluid to a rabbit insert the syringe from the side behind the front teeth so that the syringe is not facing the back of the throat. I always just give a small amount at once and watch their throat to see that they are swallowing
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Zouave wrote:
I will have to give antibiotics and pain killers. And I hate using a syringe in the mouth on small animals (drowning concerns). Hey! Is that an issue with rabbits as it is with rodents (GPs to gerbils)?
You are giving a relatively small amount of medicine to an animal much larger than a tiny rodent, so you shouldn't have any problems.
Also, there are certain substances (such as oils) that are far more dangerous to aspirate than others.
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*keeps fingers crossed*
Good luck!
( yes i joined here since we will most likely be getting the rescue bunny!)
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shandrel wrote: *keeps fingers crossed*
Good luck!
( yes i joined here since we will most likely be getting the rescue bunny!)
Hello shandrel! She came over here from my board as only rabbitsonline members can read this thread. Mine:
kanez.proboards.com.
Anyway, we are back. Yes, "we". I am stressed out and tired, and a lot shorter in the wallet.
I told you about the paw and the tiny lumps.
The "growth" was a melanoma malignant tumor. She decided it was cancerous owing to how it spread. The operation was a success and the rabbit is fine. . . except that the metastasis was hard to get at. She grabbed all she could see but it could be microscopic. Based on her experience, the vet said there is a "70%" chance of the cancer returning, and that would be to the abdomen. How fast it might grow was uncertain. But at that point there would be no treatment. 30% on the good side? If I hit .300 in the Major leagues I'd be a star! So, we hope.
Poppy is on the meds; I was show how to give them. The techy advised removing the metal water spout and using a heavy ceramic bowl. Vanilla Ensure and soft fruits and such were recommended.
What he looks like now:
So, I guess things could have gone worse. Poppy is back in his cage relaxing and recovering, and I will soon check the meds schedule.
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Whew! I can see how it would be a melanoma. That means that it was a tumor of the skin itself, and that's probably why it was brown like that--not due to necrosis. I'll be thinking of you guys!
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Geez he looks sore poor guy
I never would have ever thought of melanoma;
to be honest I didn't know that buns got that particular cancer.
I had a bun with a fibrosarcoma and it did return
Poor Poppy
Give him infant electrolyte drink and not ensure . Rabbits cannot digest dairy products.
Can you feed him other normal food like greens and hay ?.
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Aw, poor bunny. I'm glad his owner is so ace
I have a bun who had a melanoma removed in January. We thought she might go straight downhill because she was already struggling before the removal, but she is doing much better now. The only problem we have is keeping weight on her.
30% is enough to know that you hopefully have at least some amount of time together and for you and he to make that happy
Hopefully that 30% will be the side that he stays on
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I should get out the Pedialyte, huh?
What do you think of not having the water spout around and using a ceramic water bowl??
The vet encouraged such as chicory, strawberries, baby carrots, bananas, grapes, and maybe bell peppers, and said nothing about removing hay or alfalfa. She was not high on pellets, though (fattening).
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CANCER QUESTION:
If I was diagnosed with, say, prostate cancer, even after an operation, I would take stuff, such as green tea. Maybe extra Vitamin C.
Any cancer-preventing supplements? Immune-system building supplements?
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If he usually gets veggies then give him veggies and hay
I don't know why she is promoting all that fruit that is high in sugar. Usually all that sugar is bad for the gut flora
I would call her in the Am and ask her
there may be a reason that she wants really soft food that I don't know about ;
I do know that rabbits do not digest dairy products well so pedialyte is way better.
the bowl is a good idea
there may be alternative treatments but I don't have time to look it up tonight . it would be in one of kathy Smith's books.
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I second everything Angieluv has said so far.
The one good thing about some of the fruits are that they are high in anti-oxidants, which are supposed to be good for preventing cancer. Treating, I don't know. Primarily you'd be looking at dark berries like cranberries, blueberries, etc. They are also lower in sugar and higher in fiber compared to, say, apples or bananas. I would not add concentrated supplements without consulting with a vet. Some shouldn't be used during/just after surgery, and they might interact badly with the prescription meds.
I don't see any reason to change his diet for recovery purposes as long as he is eating and drinking on his own. It's more likely to cause GI issues (especially with fruits and Ensure). I do remember seeing Ensure mentioned in a rabbit health book for some seriously ill buns that can't keep weight on but I would think it would be hard to digetst and certainly isn't needed in this case. I do recommend using a water bowl instead of a bottle because many rabbits will drink more from a bowl. This can be especially helpful when they aren't feeling well and might not have the patience to lick small drops out of a metal spout.
You might be able to get the bun to willingly take meds by hiding them in a little bit of fruit or canned pumpkin (plain, not the pie filling).
I really hope the vet was able to get all of the cancer!:pray:
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The vet did mention the GI issue most of all.
I would not change the diet for some time, and then only to emphasize some fruits and such.
I did wonder about red grapes over white ones, and whether injecting a little green tea (concentrated from powder in capsules) would be good.
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