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Post by maestrosbrood on Jul 3, 2006 14:25:34 GMT -4
I'm going to start with the basic (easy) colors first,then work my way up.
Black - aa C* E* G* P*
Lilac - aa CC E* G* pp
Nutmeg - aa C* ee G* P*
Red Fox - aa CC ee G* pp
Slate - aa C* E* gg P*
ruby-eyed White(rew) - aa C*E* gg pp
Silver Nutmeg - aa C* ee gg P*
Re Silver Nutmeg - aa C* ee gg pp
Each color has it's own set of letters.These letters determine what the colors will be.Each of the colors above must have these "base" letters or what is called GENEOTYPES,to make it what color it is.All these colors can come spotted to if they have the SP gene(spotting gene).They may also along with the "base" geneotypes they can carry recessive genes.Capital letters are dominant genes and recessives are lower case.I call them little and big.Some recessives can not be seen.Some can be seen but only by an experienced eye,Some can never been seen.Throughout I will try to point out the effects of certain genes in colors they may change.
The same gerbils can carry any combination of one or more recessives.Recessive genes are a,e,g,p.I'll get into cb,ch,cbcb,cbch,chch,as I go.
A black can have of combination of up to I believe like twelve different geneotypes.Some colors have more some have less.There are more than 350 different geneotypes over 50 color variations.I know them all by heart.
I am not typing out all of them here that
is too much.I'm trying to figure out how to do a full chart.
Michelle
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Post by Die Fledermaus on Jul 3, 2006 18:05:22 GMT -4
Keep it simple.  What's with the asterisks? |
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Post by maestrosbrood on Jul 3, 2006 18:26:06 GMT -4
LOl, I am. That's why you ask question's after the lesson when I teach you something you don't know.
The asterisks simply mean we do not know what gene is represented here.It could be a dominant or a recessive again depending on the color.
For instance if I have a black and a burmese as a pair
We don't know any recessives until they produce offspring.
So I would write it like this:
Black - aa C*E*G*P*
Burmese - aa cbcb E* G* P*
This pair had babies congrats your the virtual owner of all black and burmese babies.This means our Black becomes aa Ccb E* G* P*.Notice the C locus changes.It takes 2 cb's to produce a burmese one gene from each parent.
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Post by Die Fledermaus on Jul 3, 2006 18:34:29 GMT -4
Hmmm. It used to be total Ancient Greek to me, but it is starting to make sense! Thanks again.
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Post by maestrosbrood on Jul 4, 2006 12:29:41 GMT -4
Yeah you say that now .Just wait.I could have your head spinning.I have mutants that defy all that I'll be trying to teach.But I'll do my best to make it easy and understandable.I have one more day of cage cleaning then I can kick back and tell ya about the mutations and add more to the lessons.  Michelle |
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Post by furryflowers on Jul 4, 2006 17:22:09 GMT -4
Would you pretty pleeeeeese answer the questions I asked in the Thread I made you MB?  ...... These things in this Thread may make better sense if we start with the White bellies....just my thoughts, then what do I know I still can´t totally make sense of these little letters!!. So are you going to the Fireworks???.....Or do you guys light off your own?? I heard they do some REAL elaborate Fireworks out West !! |
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Post by Die Fledermaus on Jul 4, 2006 19:31:05 GMT -4
MACY'S has the best fireworks display. Here in NYC.
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Post by maestrosbrood on Jul 5, 2006 13:11:13 GMT -4
I'll get to the white bellies.As I mentioned it's easier to start with the basics aa- self colored gerbils.I am so busy right now. When I start throwing recessives in A* now they'll really get loss.Hey student flower be patience you are already a bit more ahead of the others.You have private tutoring at a whim. ;D.I'll get there.Michelle
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Post by maestrosbrood on Jul 5, 2006 19:12:49 GMT -4
A*/Aa - white-bellied ,Dominant gene
Means all gerbs that have A* will have a white belly
aa - self-colored,recessive gene
Means all aa gerbs will have the same colored back and belly
Note : Some aa gerbs namely the red fox and nutmeg will have maybe a shade or so lighter of a belly but it is still a colored belly
Some colors like the deh will have a somewhat colored belly for a short time (usually til molting age around 6-8 weeks old) but will turn white.But not stark white
Argentes and yellow fox will have a stark white belly.
Agouti's sometimes have a white belly and sometimes a mix of white and grays until they moult.
self-colored gerbs may or may not have white markings.These markings are not spotted gerbils.It is typically of an aa to have these.Although for show purpose they are trying to breed the white markings out for totally self colored gerbils.White markings are usually located under the chin or neck and chest area and the tops of the feet.These markings are different in all gerbs.Some may have same colored feet and only white under thier neck or vice versa.
Moulting or molting : IS much like a cross between what a dog and a caterpilliar goes through.It seems to occur pretty much through out a gerbils life.They also shed at seasonal times.As they moult their fur can change colors at this time. Lighter or darker.Depends again on the color the gerbil is.One that greatly changes is the nutmeg behind it the silver nutmeg.
Michelle
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Post by Die Fledermaus on Jul 5, 2006 19:53:27 GMT -4
Owing to the activity on this forum I just moved it directly underneath the Gerbil forum. Ever see the thread where my late Laurel molted? I thought it wild! I had no idea what was happening at first! Check out this thread: RIGHT HEREAm I correct in my evaluation of the late Edan's color? |
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Post by maestrosbrood on Jul 5, 2006 22:48:14 GMT -4
Do you have more pics of him maybe a side shot.Can you describe the changes to me.Looks like a Sp.deh to me.
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Post by Die Fledermaus on Jul 5, 2006 23:27:23 GMT -4
No time to look for more picts now. Later as time permits.
"Sp deh" is what exactly?
In my last post in the thread I refered to a DEH with a lightening gene.
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Post by maestrosbrood on Jul 6, 2006 10:18:31 GMT -4
I saw another one of him in a red pail.If he is a Sp.Deh he looks to me like a ch deh that would be the lightening gene.He looks to me like he may have been tannish orange with some ticking.
Why I wanted to see if you had a better pic is because usually A spotted deh with a cp gene usually looks like a honeycream.I'm thinking he may have been a Sp Nutmeg
Did he get whiter/lighter?
Sp.Deh is a spotted dark-eyed Honey
A* C* ee G* P* SP.
aa C* ee* G* P* SP.
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Post by Die Fledermaus on Jul 6, 2006 19:05:38 GMT -4
I thnk he DID get slightly lighter.
If I find another photo I will post it.
Jeez, you know your stuff!
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Post by maestrosbrood on Jul 7, 2006 13:26:13 GMT -4
I saw another one of him in a red pail.If he is a Sp.Deh he looks to me like a ch deh that would be the lightening gene.He looks to me like he may have been tannish orange with some ticking. Why I wanted to see if you had a better pic is because usually A spotted deh with a cp gene usually looks like a honeycream.I'm thinking he may have been a Sp Nutmeg Did he get whiter/lighter? Sp.Deh is a spotted dark-eyed Honey A* C* ee G* P* SP. aa C* ee* G* P* SP. aa C*ee G*P Sp.Is the genetics for a sp.nutmeg |
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What's with the asterisks?
Michelle
...... These things in this Thread may make better sense if we start with the White bellies....just my thoughts, then what do I know I still can´t totally make sense of these little letters!!.